I just need to update this a little bit. Kessel and Ylesia are no longer mine to donate to this cause however Devaron in the Colonies is.

Please take Kamino off the list, due to the fact it has changed hands.

Kessel is in the hands of Scorpio Industries and LAN....We still are ok with the blue light idea there.

I'm not sure I follow how any of this would require a change to the rules. The only thing I see that would be a change is allowing planets to opt out of observing the TLS -- and I'm not sure why this is necessary to achieve your goals.

If someone with a TLS set to a red status spontaneously comes to your planet without any prior IC or OOC arrangements, doesn't simply their choice to enter a particular location open them up to whatever hostility may be present in that location, regardless of what their traffic light may say?

*Sits back and listens*

To address your points.



Opting out of the TLS is essentially what we are wanting to create; but beyond that, is an "at a glance" knowledge of what type of RP to expect through the creation of another planetary badge. By the creation of a badge, this outlines points 2 and 4 specifically as being in effect, DESPITE the lack of observing the TLS. At this stage in the blue light development, we simply want an addition to the TLS more than a reform; you are aware of the debate occuring betwen myself, Dunta Coral, Jair, and Kel'Al - this more than anything is a preemptive test to see how this would be received, taken to, and adapted.

In essence, a physical representation in the form of a badge to embody a set of given rules by which free writers could operate. By simply opting out of the guide, you could have a mass of writers allowing "free and open writing" but with each planet having varying and different rules as to what is and is not allowed - by setting a firm template, with minor amounts of customization, you not only give writers the ease of knowing what to expect (WITHOUT having to peruse numerous threads, as is one of the issues talked within previous threads) but you set a standard for free writing planets everywhere. It's something of an oxymoron; free writing needs to be available to planets that want it. But to assure a certain LEVEL of free writing, these planets need to be bound to a certain standard.



In an ideal world? Most likely. The truth is that not everyone operates this way; and even when they do, the goal of this particular "blue light badge" is to promote an open writing level of interaction EVEN when they have prior IC or OOC arrangements. Literally, as stated in my previous points, we're trying to set a standard here in that "anything" goes. As it's an open planet.

The desired effect we're trying to aim for here, could definitely be achieved through opting out of the guide - I see your point. HOWEVER, would the desired level and potency, not to mention proliferation, and above all; unification of a set standard, be present among all planets that "opted out" of the TLS? Better to have planets "Opt IN" to a standardized form of RPing, in which the expectations are already set, the rules already known, and free and spontaneous RP won't be a problem because you don't have to peruse threads for various individual planets rules; better to avoid confusion, maximize on the movement, and give someone a visible and undeniable sign as to what they can expect.

Ultimately, it boils down to making the "atmosphere" of the planet readily available to the RPer.



Jeez guys; apologies. Apparently I uploaded version 1.0 instead of V3. Thank you for posting your addendum's, and if anyone else has any reformations to make to the planet list, then please do comment.

DO NOTE; outside parties PLEASE do not comment here. I've already had several people PM me as to things they would like me to say - that is EXACTLY what you should do if you are part of the Old Guard. A single voice for the Whills to concentrate on is what we need here - not a dozen clamoring at once. I thank our members for their patience and their thoughtful comments on our petition. We're slowly making progress people. Don't let the momentum fade. Also, don't be intimidated to PM me or something; I've had one to two people admit they didn't PM me earlier because it seemed like I was in charge and all. Guys. I am your voice. I put myself into this position because no one was taking initiative - not because I have some kind of special ability or vendetta; simply I saw the work that needed to get done, and Im buckling down and doing it. Don't be afraid to tell me your thoughts and opinions. I'm just the guy that takes your voices, and puts it together into a single coherent sentence. Nothing more.

Heres an addendum though; I cant always address ALL of your points. I more or less have to pick the popular subjects and comment on them. Typing up ALL of the things we want to cover at one time would be pages upon pages of work. We need to focus on ONE thing at a time - so in that respect, try and keep your focus on THIS particular issue. We can solve the others in due time; theres no rush.

Thank you for allowing me to be your speaker.

- The man of many names

Traveler's Guide entries should always include a definition of what styles of RP to expect.

However, the badges are a representation of RP quality and collaboration, which is an entirely separate question from what style of RP is present. So I don't think a badge is the right answer... at least as currently implemented. (This doesn't mean I'm opposed to the concept... perhaps we need a multi-part at-a-glance badge system of some sort).

Might be able to give gold and platinum planets a fancy name, not unlike what Whills/Super Whills have, and use the badge for an RP badge.

Sorry for the wait, LONG week here in school.

I'll agree that travelers guide entries SHOULD contain entries on what kind of RP to expect, but this would be more in line with changing the very NATURE of RP on that planet; more or less altering not just the expectations, but the actual role play itself.

Id argue the fact that RP quality and collaboration is exactly correct for this new badge - free writers have many times expressed the want for "one liners" and less formal writing scenarios, that in of itself is RP quality. As for collaboration, by trying to change the very fundaments on how characters may interact with each other, that to addresses collaboration. However, I concede the point that the current badge system as implemented isn't truly set up for this type of "at a glance system"

Personally, whether this passes or not, I truly think that incorporating an "at a glance" type of system to already existing badges could potentially dramatically improve RP - by at least cutting down the amount of time that people have to search through boards looking for like minded RPers. I suppose then, the question then becomes how such an at a glance system would be implemented. Would more badges need to be incorporated? Would less badges but expanded rules? Questions, questions, and more questions; important questions though, and ones that should be mulled over carefully by the whills.

:) Thank you for your critical questions, please keep them coming. The more we iron this out, the sooner that we can improve the sites populace towards RP here :)

Wait? RP length and RP quality are the same thing? So if I cut my post up into four smaller posts, does that make it lesser or less formal quality writing? I don't think so.

Um, I specifically said one line, or one sentence posting. On a comparative scale of whether that is higher quality than novellas written by some writers by the site is up to debate; it's true you can have drastically different quality of writing per how much is written.

HOWEVER, for this specific scenario we're not debating that quality is equal to length, we're stating that a less formal stance on posting - of which the old guard society specifically mentioned contained shorter, mid quality posts - should not be detrimental to a player, and thus would be covered and protected by a blue light badge in the name of open and free writing; and of which writers would be protected from ridicule and detrimental repercussions from other more professional writers.


My previous statement was simply a reflection of what many believe here on the site, not necessarily what is true or debatable.

Ahem.

I know you asked us not to post here and I apologise but since you're acting as our Voice I feel that I need to correct its depth and volume. I don't agree with your saying that free writers are doing this because they want... one liners. Most of the people that agree with this idea are highly creative and capable players. Some of us don't like longer posts, some of us do. Personally, I don't like bloody novels. Unless when Dragus is writing, that's they type of writing where you don't want to miss a word... he makes everything relevant and interesting. Most of the other long-winded people are just... piling stuff up and make me feel like: ok, you're REALLY good at describing how the fly described intricate patterns in the air and how your pubic hairs felt about it... can we have something interesting now, please? But yeah, some of the long writing is good, some of the short writing is good. It's a personal preference, really. I'm just saying this because I resent free writers being put forward as crude, minimalistic and unrefined.

When I was submitting my planet to this project I thought it was a way to finally make free RP zones, places where people can play how they like, not dance to the tune of whiners, self-proclaimed writers and overly sensitive. Blue badge was supposed to be a beacon, our way of saying 'you're welcome here and you can do just about anything you like unless it's vile'. A symbol, a message, a sign of hope that things can actually change, that our own wishes and preferences can still live on instead of being oppressed by what is now sadly the majority. Nobody, nobody, called for simplistic RP and one liners.

Sorry, I just had to throw this out and in the open. If I misjudged the nature of this project please do tell and I will remove myself from it. I don't intend to be harsh but I always come across so and my PR leaves a lot to be desired.

*fist pumps* here, here!

Friends, let me completely drop and disregard what I've been trying to convey; obviously Im not saying it correctly. In that regard, I can only apologize - sometimes I take it that others are on the same page as I; I will endeavor to be more detailed in the future.

...Ok, and now lets try again;




What we all want is the FREEDOM to post good, bad, high, low, or any quality length in between. Some of us are good writers, some of us bad; free writers, like any other group, are a mix there of. All too common however, is that if we stray to far into one spectrum or another it's often looked down on; if I post simple one liners its often viewed as being crude and unrefined. If I post novellas, its often viewed as lengthy and boring.

The ultimate goal here is to shed these misconceptions and aspirations of writing, and create a free writing environment where ANYTHING goes; even different standards of quality and length. To create a neutral zone where writers aren't going to feel these writing pressures. This is what I have been trying to convey, as well as believe in.

By my words of "one liners", I thought it was assumed that I meant the INCLUSION of simpler posting in addition to that of longer posts; we're striving for equality after all, as well as the universality of posters being able to do what they wish without being judged on ; not the reversion of ALL free writers to simpler posting, but the INCLUSION, the ability of free writers to choose that particular style if they so wish it.

Again, it is this ability to choose your own particular style that we want to respect; and something that is is very much tied into the TG's themes of RP collaboration and quality. Hence, why it was mentioned on.



However, on that note, please keep the posting of such things down in the future; a PM would have easily sufficed to correct and clarify our personal beliefs, in which an addendum could have easily been posted by myself on this thread. Comments from others not within the society are free to post as they wish; but for the sake of clutter, I severely impress the point of PM's on society members. It keeps things neat, organized, and clean - and ultimately is able to get things done. When one person makes an exception; then a dozen others will want an exception to. Before you know it, you've got a dozen people posting simultaneously within one thread, arguments break out, and etcetera.

I'm not reprimanding you; I don't have the power nor the inclination to do that. SImply, be respectful of the wish for PM's in the future, rather than make a public calling out.

I duly apologize.

It's a public thread which everyone can see and read and I felt that certain points should be explained, fearing that people will view the players which agreed to the initiative in a wrong way. I didn't go about it well... and completely forgot that I could just PM you, shout for a while (cause that's what I almost always do, ask Carni, lol), then politely ask you to change some finer points of your post yourself :P

I'll refrain from posting here from now on, as requested.

Absolutely no need to apologize friend, you were concerned, and thus felt moved such to address it.

If anything, I should be thankful that we have such passionate members in our society; it's a good strong sign that we're moving in the right direction, as well as making progress.

Friends,

After discussing this proposal, the Council of the Whills has decided that it would be beneficial to begin with a trial run involving a smaller sample than the proposed list affords. A trial period would allow everyone to see how well the idea works in practice and whether any changes in the conditions set forth in the proposal might make it a more viable alternative to the current rules of the site; which, it bears noting, in no way prevent or conflict with the idea of 'free RP' that the proposal is aimed at fostering.

Currently, the idea of replacing or adding to the current planetary ranking system is not something the Council of the Whills believes necessary or beneficial, and believes that an addition to the Traveler's Guide entries of the planets wishing to have a 'Blue Light Policy' fulfills the same purpose. Therefore, the planets selected to participate in the trial period will have an addition to their TG that notes they are a 'Blue Light" planet along with a summation of what that denotes.

So, if you will nominate two planets from those that have volunteered to participate in the trial run and post them here, we can get the trial period started. At the conclusion of the trial period, it will be discussed whether or not the idea needs to be amended or, if it has been demonstrated to be effective in achieving it's desired goals, launched on a larger scale.

The Whill Tribunal