Pit, short of a brain transplant your mind isn't getting any better. No matter what you swallow

I know! :P

Still worth a shot! It's used all over the place.

As as Pre-psychiatrist - woot for five years of medschool - I'll honestly tell you that this thing is a fad, who's only benefit is a healthy placebo effect; the only thing it remotely affects in terms of neurological pathways is acetylcholine, and even in that extension there isn't enough difference for HARD, COLD data gathered through the Hypothetico-deductive method to prove that this minor alteration improves cognizance.

Buy some sugar pills instead. Nice sharp kick in the pants.

That's funny, I've found countless documents showing that it has been shown to be effective. It's even prescribed in parts of Europe and Australia.

Here is some links that could help you, Mr. Pre-Psychologist.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/v6t6k526405vm570/

http://www.raysahelian.com/neurotransmitter.html

http://www.pharmacyreviewer.com/foru...ootropics.html

http://smartdrugsforthought.com/what-is-piracetam

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7301036

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2392950

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2896427

http://www.amazines.com/article_deta...icleid=3883258

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20166767


As you can see several of these are from the National Institute of Health, a government site. I guess they're in on this fad that's been around and being tested since 1964. I'm sure anti-bacterial soap was also "just a fad" when it first came out as well.

Thing is these aren't sugar pills they're 2-oxo-1-pyrrolidine acetamide, definitely isn't the same nor even in the same branch as sugar.

Piracetam has been PROVEN to not be a placebo in a few double blind tests, and other forms of scientific testing.

Sorry for not editing my post, but the option wasn't showing.

Piracetam is a derivative cyclic form of GABA receptors, and has been shown (through testing) that it stimulates the Corpus Callosum (you know the part of your brain that bridges the two hemispheres together and sends communication between the two).

I've done plenty of research on Piracetam, and know a lot about it. I can easily tell you that taking Piracetam, and the effects from taking it are not from a placebo effect. My bottle should be here today or tomorrow, so I'll be giving you more than just scientific, clinical, and medical research documents I'll be giving you my own test results from taking it.


:P

*Sighs*

I would happily write up several articles worth defending my case...

BUT. Im too busy working on my petition to the whills. Perhaps in several weeks. You win for now. ;)

How are you going to argue against scientific research that has been conducted over the last 40 years??

As I understand Psychiatrists are the ones who do personal case studies and prescribe medicine to clients. I would understand why your stance on Piracetam is the way it is, considering you're likely in the states and anyone can just order it.

You don't need to write articles just find articles showing that piracetam doesn't work. I provided many articles, some from the NIH and others from various sources. Don't come into a topic and say "No it doesn't work, here's no evidence and I don't have time to prove my point".

And good luck with becoming a Whill! (Not being sarcastic, or catty).

Ok, no, I had to give in and write something. Nootropics are NOTHING new; Keep in mind I'm not disputing their effects on mental impairments and other cognitive disabilities, simply their effects in mentally healthy individuals. I say this because it's much harder to gauge significant increases in normal neuronic pathways - not to mention that results vary according to individual biology. Nootropics have been studied over the past forty some odd years - their effect in treating cognitive abnormalities is remarkable.

Also, my comment in regards to it being a "sugar pill" was my personal preference to using sugar pills over nootropics. Not saying that their one in the same >_>.

Personally, Im a fan of OTHER Nootropics, not necessarily Piracetam; in the states, studies regarding the effects of Piracetam have been relatively inconclusive, with multiple studies showing that they do have varying mental affects on individuals, both arguing for and against. I'd suppose that I would be open to an actual hands on use of the substance - before revising my opinion.

Im frankly not going to go find multiple articles arguing my case for me; I do enough of that in school, lol. Simply I'm going to believe what I believe because of the evidence that has been put before me. Now, if you can get present enough to change my mind, then ill gladly engross myself in the works and studies of others in the name of curiosity.

Can I inquire what your dosage is going to be?

Going to start with the recommended 2.4-3.6g a day, and possibly increase it. My grandmother says it's been helping her, and one of the links I posted was from a test conducted in either 2010-2011, not sure which. But it was conducted on healthy individuals, and another one (From the 70's) was tested on healthy college students, and there was a noticeable increase between the group taking Piracetam vs the group taking the Placebo.


Which Nootropics would you recommend? I take Choline, and sometimes Vinopocetine (spelling). :)

Mm, good dosage. A Solid 3.0 is what I usually hear for a control dosage...as for what I recommend, I think your talking about vasodialators such as Vinpocetine, AKA "intelectol".

In the past, they've been used to treat several forms of cerebrovascular disorders if I recall correctly. I prefer it greatly to Piracetam because of the less sketchy studies and results done on it.

Yea...just going to see what my grandmother's been taking. The company (Smart Drugs for Thought) is running a special on both eBay and their site so I figured now was the time.

I've seen a lot of good testimonials about Piracetam across the net from people who use it, and with that and the articles I posted earlier on this thread I figured I had a substantial amount of scientific backing to hop into this. Besides I've heard Piracetam helps with Anxiety issues and I have a few disorders that involve Anxiety...so yeaaa.. lol

I've always been a bit wary of putting things that don't naturally occur in me. Like pesticides I understand they are in minuscule trace amounts and probably won't affect me to much but drugs and the like. Psychotic drugs and ones that give you extra or new chemicals in the brain seem a little sus. It's probably more out of ignorance then anything. I understand how they help people but when you have a healthy person can you really make a superhuman with drugs without losing out in one way or another?

Is there side affects to these Nootropics? Most drugs seem to have them. Some even cause nutrients to not be absorbed into your system correctly.

Piracetam has limited side effects, only reports of slight headaches when taken in a high dose have been reported and even then if one takes choline they won't be effected by this. One of the main reasons I will be using Piracetam is precisely that, no side effects. Some nootropics do actually carry side effects, some are potentially fatal. You just need to research into them.

Piracetam stimulates the GABA receptors, as well as the Corpus callosum (I think I stated this already). It also stimulates ATP (just like creatine) so it can be used effectively in work out "stacks". It's been reported to help with tinnitus (a ringing in the ears that is chronic), anxiety, depression, alzheimers (ofc) and parkinsons. Most of these haven't been tested too thoroughly however in the tests that have been done results have been seen.

Uh..I can go on and on about Piracetam. If you have any more specific questions feel free to ask, and I'll promptly reply. I am almost always online...just don't get to RP as much anymore due to the fact where ever I do go to RP people are super slow in responding or something comes up. :(

I live east coast of Australia. Time zone difference is my issue with slow RP.

So in lay mans terms, it promotes brain activity and brain function? Not nessacarily making you smarter per se but helping with it? Correct?

And obviously it's not like a psychotic drug like escasty or ice or speed or (as they funnily enough grow around where I live) magic mushrooms, though I think I am using 'psychotic' broadly.

Well I wouldn't say it doesn't improve intelligence and cognition, just that it isn't some miracle pill. It does show effectiveness in mice and there has been a study done on college students and it was shown to help them.

As to it being a "psychotic" no, I would probably call this more of a supplement of some kind. You don't get high from taking it, maybe a little energy. However your thought process will be more clear, and precise. And it doesn't carry any side effects, addictive qualities, or dangerous effects.

Ah understood! It makes me think of that movie 'Limitless' haha but obviously not as you said 'a miracle pill'. So it would help some amnesia patients? And how about dementure and alshymers (Which I just Spelt both terribly wrong)?

Alzeihmer's and dementia patients do receive Piracetam for treatment. It is used in prescription in some European countries, and there's a few older people I know that take it here in the States.

Yea it definitely isn't like Limitless (still haven't seen it) as the benefits of taking Piracetam is developed gradually. There is plenty of Research on the hyperlink. They also have a downloadable PDF of research as well hosted on their site.

On paper it does look a bit like a miracle drug. But from what I get it works by increasing blood flow to the brain, and assuming you are using your brain to learn new things, that increases the rate at which you create new synapsis(?, what ever the joining parts of the brain are. I really should know this seeming I'm studying a medicial based degree. *Facepalm*).

HAhah well I've actually gotten the bottle and it is most certainly not a miracle drug. However it does work, I feel a little more creative about 2-3 hours after I've taken it and I am definitely bit more focused. I've read that it doesn't fully start effecting you until about a month into taking it so I'm not expecting anything spectacular to happen.

As to the biological process, I'm pretty sure it's well known that I consider biology witchcraft. Anyways I do know that Piracetam stimulates your Corpus Callosum (the bridge that sends communication between the two hemispheres of the brain). If you go to www.smartdrugsforthought.com/piracetam-research there is a PDF to download that has a ton of information on Piracetam and the other Racetams as well.